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Re: Icom IC-9700 users topic

Post by VK4GHZ » Thu Jul 04, 2019 9:03 am

IC-9700 test report by Adam Farson VA7OJ/AB4OJ.

IC-9700 VA7OJ Test Report.pdf
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Post by VK4GHZ » Mon Jul 15, 2019 8:52 pm

Has anyone pulled their HM-219 hand microphone apart?
(Stock mic that comes with the IC-9700)

I haven't, but there is obviously some logic in there to eliminate PTT switch bounce.

HM-219 PTT bounce. RX > TX - none!
HM-219 PTT bounce. RX > TX - none!

Compared to an old HM-36:
HM-36 PTT bounce. RX > TX - almost 800uS of contact bounce
HM-36 PTT bounce. RX > TX - almost 800uS of contact bounce


The old SM-8 is even grottier.
SM-8 PTT bounce. RX > TX - almost 10mS of contact bounce
SM-8 PTT bounce. RX > TX - almost 10mS of contact bounce
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Re: Icom IC-9700 users topic

Post by VK3QI » Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:35 pm

Adam,

Here is a link to the circuit diagram.

http://www.g4izh.co.uk/microphone-input ... ement.html

Scroll down about half way.

I presume that the diode must act as some sort of spike shunt, coupled with the low Q of the shunted 10n capacitor.

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Post by VK4GHZ » Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:50 pm

Thanks Peter. :thumbup:

Not what I was expecting, but extremely effective!
Could not make the HM-219 PTT bounce at all.

All the newer Icom hand microphones & rigs power their electret mic insert via mic socket pin 1 (MICI) which has DC volts on it.
In the old days, the microphone derived its power from mic socket pin 2 (+8V).
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Re: Icom IC-9700 users topic

Post by VK3QI » Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:28 am

Adam,

I think there might be more "smarts" than that shown in that circuit diagram.

I don't have access to the HM-219 but other mikes in the series also have similar PTT switching - which in reality is just a switched line to earth. Maybe the smarts are associated with the input circuit board in the rig?

Page 73 of the service manual shows Q491-Q493 feeding the PTT into the Front CPU IC501

That circuit is in the bottom left hand corner of the Display Unit circuit diagram on page 90.

Grounding D491 through the PTT switches Q491 "off", which makes FSEND go high on the CPU.

Maybe the time constants involved are better than previous rigs????? Tracing R494 around the circuit diagram (almost a full 360 degrees) ends up at the 5 volt line - nothing special.

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Post by VK4GHZ » Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:36 am

No, those screen shots above is the actual PTT switch contact from the mic (with a pull-up resistor to 3V3).
In other words, straight out of the mic.
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Post by VK7HH » Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:15 pm

Two new videos!

Glen VK1XX speaks at Gippstech 2019 about the IC-9700 and GPS locking board he has designed.




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Re: Icom IC-9700 users topic

Post by VK4GHZ » Sat Aug 31, 2019 7:01 am

IC-9700 version 1.13 firmware is available from Icom.

http://www.icom.co.jp/world/support/dow ... 9700/1_13/

Changes from Version 1.11

• Added a function that prompts the user to save settings during the firmware update dialog.

• Refined the tuning scale of the reference frequency adjustment.

• Optimized the squelch characteristics.

• Fixed an issue where a repeater may not be selectable from the TX History.

• Fixed an issue where the transmit signal in a particular band is shown shifted on the spectrum scope.
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Re: Icom IC-9700 users topic

Post by VK7HH » Fri Oct 11, 2019 4:32 pm

New IC-9700 Firmware: Version 1.20

Changes from Version 1.13

Added the Share Pictures function.
Added a Set mode item to detect the microphone PTT while transmitting using other than the microphone PTT.
Added Reflector types "DCS" and "XLX".

http://www.icom.co.jp/world/support/dow ... 9700/1_20/

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Re: Icom IC-9700 users topic

Post by W7SZ » Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:24 am

Setting up 9700 for 1296 EME and discovered that there is no Rx out.
Over many years of EME, the external LNA is subject to damage, with whatever
sequencers or relays are used.

My goal is separate Rx out. Has anyone done this? Would appear that cutting
trace between between R51 and c311 and running rg 174 to outside sma
would do the job.

Has anyone tried this? Alternatives?

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Re: Icom IC-9700 users topic

Post by VK4GHZ » Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:31 pm

About the only changes I can find in the newest revision IC-9700 CI-V reference manual are below:

CI-V changes1.PNG
Home Channel Beep, PTT Port Function, RX Picture Indicator

CI-V changes2.PNG
The addition of "Only main band".
Unknown if the actual control function has changed, or just fixing the wording to properly reflect actual control function.
I'm guessing the later.


For some reason, Icom still neglect being able to fire off a CW memory keyer.
I've been expecting CMD 28 01, the next related logical command after 28 00.
You can do this on the GUI, but not via CI-V.

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Re: Icom IC-9700 users topic

Post by VK4GHZ » Sat Nov 16, 2019 9:48 am

This looks like a much better method of 49.152 MHz injection locking.

No soldering whatsoever required, and potentially less dramas with any future warranty claim.

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Re: Icom IC-9700 users topic

Post by VK1JA » Sat Nov 16, 2019 2:02 pm

Looks to be much better.

I was contemplating using the minikits version with bluetac to hold it in place rather than soldering it.

It's not on Leo's web site, so not sure if it can be purchased yet?

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Re: Icom IC-9700 users topic

Post by VK1JA » Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:59 am

Now available for purchase.

http://www.leobodnar.com/shop/index.php ... cts_id=352

Cost 25GBP plus 5GBP for snailmail - about $58aud at current rates.

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Re: Icom IC-9700 users topic

Post by VK4GHZ » Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:45 pm

It's been an interesting day, today!

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On the subject of performing IC-9700 GPS-locking modifications and how it may affect your warranty, I share with you the recent conversations with Icom Australia, in order to offer some clarity.

http://vk4ghz.com/ic-9700-gps-locking-m ... ty-issues/

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Re: Icom IC-9700 users topic

Post by VE2OLM » Sun Nov 24, 2019 2:25 am

i have look the SWR on the Leo Bodnar board input and i seem quite high
~1db return loos ,not sure how this will affect the PLL buffer stage , usually i try to avoid reflection on reference

sot same result from my spare board ,result seem but better if reuse original radio mico-coax
probably due to loos on it -)
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Re: Icom IC-9700 users topic

Post by VK4GHZ » Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:47 pm

IC-9700 firmware version 1.21 was made available today.

http://www.icom.co.jp/world/support/dow ... 9700/1_21/
Changes from Version 1.20

Fixed the problem where the scan might not stop, even when the transceiver receives a signal.

With the previous firmware, there was a delay in sounding the standby beep when the transceiver communicated with other manufacturers' DV equipment*. With the latest firmware, the transceiver sounds the standby beep with no delay, even when the transceiver communicates with other manufacturers' DV equipment.
*It does not occur when directly communicating with transceivers and/or application software made by Icom or Kenwood.

To update the firmware

Thoroughly read 13. UPDATING THE FIRMWARE of the ADVANCED MANUAL and follow the instructions displayed on the IC-9700 LCD screen.

This update initializes the transceiver's settings when updating from a firmware earlier than version 1.20. Save your current settings before updating the firmware, and then write it back to keep the previous setting on the updated firmware.
The firmware will be updated to the following versions.
Main CPU: 1.21
Sub CPU: 1.00
Front CPU: 1.00
FPGA Program: 1.06
FPGA Data: 1.00
DV DSP: 1.05
v1.21 installed!
v1.21 installed!
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Re: Icom IC-9700 users topic

Post by VK4GHZ » Sat Dec 14, 2019 2:33 pm

The ARRL's IC-9700 review (January 2020 issue) mentions a review video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EOPdwd8KK0

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